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    Google took its time stepping up, but it’s better late than never

    So Apple completely fails to give any kind of fuck that some people don’t use their products but might be affected by them… and Google is the bad guy for not being timely enough to account for Apples douchebaggery? I mean, I’m no google fanboy, but jesus christ that’s some shitty logic.

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      Google took its time stepping up, but it’s better late than never

      And Google is postponing the launch of their trackers compatible with Google Find My network (Chipolo Point, PebbleBee) because Apple didn’t get around with adding stalking detection for these in time.

      In this case if someone needs to step up and get their shit together, it’s Apple.

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      Apple created an app to detect airtags for Android but…

      1. It takes 2 full minutes to do a scan (only manual scans are supported)

      2. For some reason you need to wait a timer of TEN FUCKING MINUTES before make the tracker beep (close the app and you need to wait the ten minutes again)

      It’s the most minimum viable product that they could ship, I think the long waits are all artificial because there’s no way that someone actually waits all that time each time that wants to check if he’s stalked by an airtag. It’s clearly designed for compliance “see? We made a detection app for Android users” and not for being actually used

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        The waits are by design. Without them, it would be trivial to find an airtag in something you are going to steal and remove it.

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    I can’t find it on Android 12

    It is following the usual Google release schedule “USA first, fuck the rest of the world”?

    Also, is it possible to dismiss warnings like “I know, that’s mine”?

    Edit: after a reboot I got the option in settings

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      I think this is a rare time that Google remembers the rest of the world exists. In here in Hungary, android 13, and the setting was available and was already on.

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    I was waiting for Google tags to put one in my bike and car as an andi-theft measure instead of paying for GPS services (for my car only). But I see that it will soon be completely unusable for such a use case…

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    Why should I use my battery and my electricity bill to fix an Apples issue?

    Apple has to address the issue with they money. If they can’t fix it as people are using the product correctly (tracking), they shut it down as a temporary or permanently solution.

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      I’m not sure what you’re expecting Apple to do or why you think they’d want to just shut something down entirely because some people misuse it. Misuse applies to nearly everything.

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        Im expecting nothing coming from them. They don’t care about privacy and personal datas. Otherwise, they would have fixed it.

        The misuse was clear from the beginning. They knew about this type of misuse. But, they make money on this service and this matters to them.

        We come back to the regulation problem. We need more regulations on these topics.

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          How exactly do you expect this to get regulated?

          Using smart tags to track things is the intended use case. Exactly what they are meant for. That someone can toss one in another person’s bag to stalk them is a case of someone misusing the technology, not an issue with the tech itself. And this tech is not Apple exclusive, it just makes better headlines.

          There’s no way to algorithmically detect when it’s being used that way instead of to track something a user has legitimate reason to track.


          We don’t regulate pens just because you can stab someone in the eye with one, we regulate and build laws against physical assault.

          I expect this will end up in a similar way, laws against stalking updated to cover the use of smart tags if they aren’t covered already


          Also, regarding Apple’s “responsibility”: Do we hold Dell responsible when someone uses a computer they built to commit cybercrime? Do we hold the manufacturer of kitchen knives responsible when they’re used in a domestic homicide, claiming that they need to do something to prevent knives from being used in stabbings or cease selling knives until they can?

          To be clear, fuck Apple and all their walled garden anti-consumer bullshit they pull. Terrible company.

          That said, there are absolutely cases where an argument can be made that a manufacturer or creator of tech has responsibilty in regards to how it is used or misused but this isn’t one of them.

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            I get your points although some of the examples given are not really comparable. What I am concerned with, is that with apple you have a network of millions of devices reporting to you. And that’s the issue, it was sold as “this is great, everyone helps each other, no need to be critical about privacy here”. These narratives are dangerous and we should stop and retreat if they blow up in our faces…

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            They are responsible, as this usage is clearly here by default and by design. This isn’t the case with a pen or a computer. A tag has just one purpose, tracking, not multiple like a computer. This is a huge difference. When you come to privacy of a human, you must be precocious.

            You can regulate it. It has not to be used as a stalking device by design. It still allows them on the market with this restriction. The second is to opt out by default from the system. People have to manually opt in in the settings, with a mandatory pop-up explaining the risk. It reduces the number of phone able to send back the location. Another regulation could stipulate the ban at the OS level from the functionality and make the download of an app mandatory.

            All of these examples of regulation protect the basic citizen from the stalking capabilities, but don’t ban the product itself. It mitigates the risks. It’s good for the company and good for the citizen privacy.

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    Tapping the AirTag icon on the screen will bring up information about the tracker in question — including a button to make it Play sound to help you track down its exact location.

    This doesn’t seem like a good thing to have the ability to do? You can just click search and then force any AirTag that you find to play a noise?

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      I think i get what you’re stabbing at. This could be used as a nuisance for everyday normal air tag users. Pranks in class or wherever… in the end, it’s the few stalkers that ruined air tags for everyone.

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        Bingo.

        Reading some other comments it appears that maybe you can only do this to airtags that aren’t currently “with” the owner at the time, but I can’t confirm.

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      AirGuard, the android app, seems to have this ability too but tbh I have never had the chance to play a sound on the train. You have to be in range for I think at least 15 minutes before you can ring a tag

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        Still not great. Means anyone in a classroom, a plane, a train, a stadium, a workplace, etc can just start setting off AirTag at will.