As some subreddits continue blackouts to protest Reddit’s plans to charge high prices for its API, Reddit has informed the moderators of those subreddits that it has plans to replace resistant moderation teams to keep spaces “open and accessible to users.”

Edit, there seems to be conflicting reporting on this issue:

While the company does “respect the community’s right to protest” and pledges that it won’t force communities to reopen, Reddit also suggests there’s no need for that.

Source: https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/15/23762501/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-interview-protests-blackout

  • rknuu@beehaw.org
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    Hey everyone we’re trying to keep the reddit threads centralized in technology in beehaw. I’m not locking this one because there’s a lot of discussion, but consider moving the chat over to https://beehaw.org/post/576904

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      I like the concept, and so far I like the implementation, but it’s still far too early to gain mass adoption based on what I’m seeing from bugs (account creation silently failed on multiple instances, and login can also silently fail) as well as how registering can feel like jumping through hoops. I wanted to register for beehaw but don’t much care to go through an interview process. Then I wanted to make sure I could access beehaw content, but saw they recently defederated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, so I had to make sure not to register on either of those.

      I don’t know this will catch on. Currently each instance is so small, and the communities are even smaller. I worry that content won’t update often enough to warrant checking more than once or twice a day. We’ll have to wait and see how much this all grows and matures. I’d like this to be my Reddit replacement, but we’ll see.

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      We’re not there yet, imho, but Reddit definitely feels like damaged goods, and the atmosphere has gotten toxic and polarized. So I think we’re going to see a slow decline, unless they somehow get their community management back in order, but the recent comments by the CEO seem to suggest he sees the community as cattle, basically.

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        Reddit was pretty unpolished when I joined 13? years ago. There is something awesome about being on a frontier where posts are getting 20 comments instead of 2,000. Everybody gets a chance to contribute and be heard.

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      I’m tempted to say it’s better, but, unfortunately, in many ways it’s not.

      What Reddit had, most of the time, was semi-canonical communities. There was /r/python, /r/linux, /r/privacy, etc. The diaspora of Lemmy is a shadow of all of that. Surely, there are a dozen or so (at least) /c/python communities on Lemmy, but is there a single one that’s anywhere near as active as the Reddit one? No. Not so far, at least.

      And unfortunately, I can say as an instance admin, the lemmy moderation tools are just flat bad. We had to turn off open registration and enable email verification, not because we would otherwise need it, but the Lemmy moderation tools are 100% reactive and only operate on a 1-by-1 basis. If a spambot signs up 100 fake accounts, I have to go and individually ban each and every one of them. There’s no shift+select, ban.

      Don’t get me wrong. I’m glad to be here, and Lemmy’s great, and there’s far less toxicity (so far). All I’m saying is, (1) there’s work to do, (2) don’t gloat.

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    …and the subreddit rebellion has been foiled. The remaining locked subreddits will be hunted down and defeated!

    The attempt on my credibility by the Apollo dev has left me scarred, and deformed. But I assure you: My resolve… has never been stronger!

    In order to ensure the profitability and continuing advertising…

    REDDIT, WILL BE REORGINIZED…

    INTO THE FIRST…

    GALACTIC ADVERTISING PLATFORM!

    FOR A SAFE, AND PROFITABLE WEBSITE.

    — u/spez to potential investors. Maybe. Probably. Might be slightly paraphrased.

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    Its probably going to end up like facebook.
    A big lumbering thing, still heavily populated but ad choked and overrun by bots and bad actors, indoctrinating unsuspecting users. Even if it stays big, hopefully its reputation will suffer enough to keep most new users away.

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      I would argue that the default subs already suffer from a lot of those problems. What’s kept me around in Reddit is definitely the more specialist subs.

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      Getting into fediverse platforms has been a godsend. Talking to real people and not dealing with the high percentage of bots is incredible.

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      I feel like Reddit already turned into a general social media underneath us already, with so many reposts from TikTok, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, it had nowhere near the amount of original style content as it used to.

      The comments became no longer worth reading, with the same lame jokes populating the top of the thread, the atmosphere became toxic and not like a community.

      What Reddit are doing is intended to turn the existing known entity into a profitable social media app, they don’t care about the quality decline. The existing owners will slowly sell as the valuation increases and they will get their winnings at the expense of the decade of free labour from the content creators, moderators & developers.

      We made them rich.

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        It feels a lot like Reddit wants to be Facebook, especially with the recent changes it made to the official app to remove control over what Redditors read.

        However, I don’t think Reddit can afford the moderation required to be Facebook.

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          I felt strongly that the updated Reddit interface was explicitly meant to look like facebook, to make fb users more comfortable.

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      CEO is beholden to shareholders. He would be replaced with someone tasked with doing the same thing.

      Capitalism

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        Would still be poetic justice. Remember when they threw Ellen Pao under the bus? They forgot to hire a scapegoat for this round of unpopular decisions.

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    Everyone needs to realise it doesnt matter. Enough people already came to lemmy for us to carry on without reddit. Now we just do the normal long haul work - help users who need help so people start searching lemmy for tech solutions, post our normal content here so there is a reason to stay, upvote and comment others work so there is engagement. The rest will follow as this grows and grows. We have already won. Lemmy is no longer a fringe interest.

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      help users who need help so people start searching lemmy for tech solutions

      For a moment, I misread this as “tech positions” and got excited about a job board on here.

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        Community idea: we develop a fake company that we all “work” at so that we can vouch for each other and use our “experience” on our resumes.

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        I feel like another critical change happened, and that is that Reddit’s users views of themselves changed. The idea that we are giving Reddit free content and labor so they can profit from it is spreading around.

        An ugly underlayer has been laid bare and many are finding they don’t really like it.

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      Lemmy is a “ground floor” for the next random tidbits of knowledge aggregator. And I don’t mean that as Lemmy is new, but rather it’d the next port-of-call and mature enough to be engaging while not being entrenched in decades’ old procedures.

      I’m excited. I logged off Reddit when Christian shuttered Apollo, signed up on Beehaw and never looked back.

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      Yeah I agree that enough attention has been placed on Lemmy for it to pop in Redditors heads when they start thinking of other sites to go to. It won’t happen overnight but that’ll also give the Lemmy devs time to apply some fixes and add new features.

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      Agreed, I have moved on. Lemmy is at the place now that it feels more like what the Internet should be. It feels more personal and tight knit. By the end with reddit, I felt so much like a tiny fish in a gigantic pond that it felt completely pointless to comment on anything.

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      Im not here to hunger strike from reddit until i get hungry. Im willing to hunger strike till i die. Fortunatly lemmy seems to be a source of nourishment but ive made my decision.

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    Reposting a comment that applies here:

    Yeah, moderating a large sub isn’t as shake-and-bake as the admins seem to think. They might “hire” scabs, but the scabs are probably going to slack off pretty hard and might not even understand the tools and procedures that can make it effective but not stifling to content.

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      I don’t think they care? As long as they can pump the communities with ads so they can IPO.

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        can’t pump the community with ads if the community gets overrun with content offensive to those advertising companies

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    Yes, I got the “message” from the Reddit CEO, and decided to pre-empt that, and I spent a few hours today manually deleting each and every post I made in my subreddit. The content is already anyway on my blog, on The Internet Archive, and on the Fediverse. So my subreddit now looks like this (he is welcome to let someone else take it now):

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    I feel like normie fed-based socials need to start going live like bluesky so people can finally get off these shitty platforms. We need a leader in the federation space.

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    I swear Reddit is not only not learning from history but purposely trying to repeat it again thinking oh the previous guys were just too weak…

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      I do think they know exactly how fucked the whole situation is, they are just trying to make the jump and peace out as long as they can make any money. This is an exit-strategy.

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    I can’t say I’m shocked, but I am disappointed. But at the same time - Lemmy/Kbin is the answer. This is the way.

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      The changes are coming at a good enough clip that it feels like it’s worth taking a stand here. Even if things don’t feel like reddit yet, we’re getting there. Enough people leave and they’ll have a pool of content consumers and no creators and that’s a fast ticket to a quick death.

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        It’s important to remember it’s early days. Things aren’t as smooth as reddit now, especially with Federation, but they’re going to improve.

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    When r/WorkReform sprang up overnight and proposed to elect moderators, Reddit’s admins threatened to ban the subreddit for that

    Fuck Spez. Fuck Reddit. Build kbin.

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      Build Kbin Fediverse.

      I like Lemmy more than Kbin, personally, but we can federate together and build up the fediverse 😄

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          I’m the opposite haha, I think Kbin has some cool communities and stuff but I way prefer the look of Lemmy. To each their own! Beauty of the fediverse is that we can choose our own platform but still interact 😄

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              Idk maybe, I implied I don’t use Kbin with that comment from 25 days ago. Not sure why you’d ask me tbh.