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Well? You were so ready to prove me wrong and Iām still waiting. Iāve given you days to find the sources for your claims, but I guess itās hard to find sources for made up shit. Maybe you should follow your own advice and read before you write, otherwise you just end up self-owning yourself.
Nah, I actually wrote a thing out but lemmy 0.18.3 was buggy as hell and it didnāt post, and it ruined my mood for this. Since youāve shown yourself to be so lazy that you couldnāt just google the statistics of English speakers in Russia (hint, wikipedia has some easily digestible data), itās pretty clear youāre just wasting my time and moving the goalposts, misrepresenting your own sources and generally acting in bad faith, and the comment thread is so hidden that engaging with your bad faith wonāt even help to reach even actually curious lurkers. No point in it for me really, prove yourself right all you want in an endless thread talking to yourself. Maybe this talking to this lad instead, you both think alike.
As evidence of your nonsense:
What is the official name for that coup, Coup of Dignity?
Actually read those and point me where the actual de-escalation is in there. Literally dismiss Russiaās claims offhandedly while claiming āchanges in transparencyā or other political non-statements.
Your honour, I didnāt kill him, it was my brain who told the finger to pull the trigger.
Military defence alliance canāt control its members, logically.
lmao, find me an official Russian source denying their support for the independence of the eastern republics.
Yes. Find me a single case in modern history where a peace talk only started (read: not a surrender) only after the winning party abandoned all their military gains. You can probably think of one or two, but thatās a good exercise nevertheless.
Had to check, you donāt even read what your own sources say.
Honestly, go waste somebody elseās time with your
nonsense. If you really care that much that none of Russiaās demands go answered, go join the foreign legion or something, Iāve head they even help with student loans. Just dont pester some rando correcting your āwhat guaranteesā vagueposting.
Lol, you became a caricature of the same things you criticize others for and then some. Absolutely unhinged reply.
Care to elaborate?
You tell others to āread before you writeā but then yourself donāt do it. Like you said, itās quick google to see that āa lotā of Russians donāt speak English. But instead of doing a quick google to see if youāre full of shit you just write it out anyway. No regards to you own āread before you writeā mantra. In fact every place where I specifically asked for proof is a place where youāre either completely wrong or partially wrong.
Then thereās the whole āweāre here to have a discussion, why are you even here to discuss something if you donāt care about it?ā as if youāre open to discussion. Except when I actually push back you turn around and go āNo point in discussing, nobody else will see itā which is entirely contradictory to US having ādiscussionā.
Then thereās the deliberately vague part which is how the entire thread started. Your first comment literally āmaybe this or maybe that and maybe something else wouldāve happenedā. Could it be any more vague? I even pressed you on specifically mentioning what you mean by guarantees and your response was somehow even more vague, telling me to read Putins speech and figure them out on my own. You did something similar the second time when I asked proof of a lot of Russians speaking English and you told me to go find the data myself. Any and all attempts for any specificity out of you is met with vagueness or deflection. Which makes it pretty ironic for you to call people questioning your vagueness as vagueposting.
And then you pull out every ādebateā lord trick in the book. You say Iām wasting your time, Iām moving goalposts, Iām in bad faith. You call me names, like ādebate pervertā. And then you pull a series of āevidence of nonsenseā where youāre just raging.
I honestly had a good laugh over your entire comment because it epitomizes your hypocrisy.
What is that number again, I canāt seem to find the wikipedia article on it. \s
Really silly of you to come back and not even look into it. If you want something even more precise, I challenge you to find something called āEnglish proficiency index,ā but the entire point there is that you wasted my time asking for source on some incredibly easy to find non-politicised source for data to deflect from your baseless speculation on how āRussians fall for everythingā of their own propaganda. I wonder what youāll think of the countries lower on that index. If you even look for it, that is.
You seem to be mistaken. Itās not that I didnāt read it, itās that I didnāt feel like adding it in the comment because itās such easy to find info. But since you seem to be incapable of doing a basic google search to verify, and I think I should be your personal source-fetching bot, Iām stubbornly not giving you the source because I āgave upā on you. On the other hand you also came out with your own claim of ālots donāt speak English,ā with no source to contradict me, which is funny because you had a whole week to find one.
I can be petty sometimes, and if you keep pestering me Iāll only be petty from now on because youāre just a silly person with silly behaviour and I aināt got time in my life to take you seriously.
Everyone has limits, and you seem so stuck on completely failing to grasp even your own sources that I donāt see why I should bother. I usually engage with silly people like you in forums because other, more curious and interested people might read it. Since youāre just being (intentionally?) silly and misreading your own sources on NATO or not remembering the official NATO name for the coup is āRevolution of Dignity,ā I donāt think thereās much use to this one here and youāre free to go pester somebody else.
I like how you accuse me of āvaguepostingā by being vague in your accusations. My very first comments were being made about they hypothetical guarantees you took so much issue with. You still havenāt shown how those guarantees wouldāve not prevented the war or been sane de-escalations.
Since you always seem to forget: de-escalate war on Donnetsk and Luhansk, recognise their independence or at least do proper procedure on it, disband Azov and ban neo-nazi symbology, reinstate Russian as a co-official language, guarantee that Ukraine will not join NATO and thereāll be no nukes in Russiaās critical neighbouring countries.
I bet each of those wouldāve been welcome there, but alas, NATO only cared about ātransparency,ā from your own sources, and did not consider a single of Russiaās complaints as valid. Now please, go off again on āwhat guarantees???ā as if I havenāt said that like 4 times now.
Those complaints are in the literal declaration speech ffs, but no I did not tell you to figure out on my own. Go read the comment again, I specifically quoted the specific sections. Your memory seems a bit wonky even though Iāve been apparently living rent-free in your mind for a week now. I donāt live rent-free in my own home, can we switch that? Go re-read the whole thread.
As I said, I actually did put the source there, but lemmy bugged out and didnāt post, which led me to realise I didnāt want to bother with you anymore because youāre playing dumb. This last comment was specifically about how youāre playing dumb so hard you couldnāt even search for English speaker statistics per country, as if itās some huge gargantuan task. I bet you did that just to distract from the main point of Russians being able to critically analyse text, though you probably donāt even remember that. Do you only know English, by any chance?
Ah yeah, the old debate trick of saying āfuck off, youāre being an arse, go pester somebody else.ā Iām not ādebatingā with you anymore, nor was I ever to begin with. I just want you to find something more worthwhile to do with your life because I donāt have an obligation to correct every single arrogantly ignorant person on the internet, just because theyāre feeling lonely. I do it of my own volition when I think I might change or learn something. As I said before, nobody else is watching, and you donāt seem to have much interest in either learning or teaching, so this is indeed āa waste of my time.ā You might find more interest if you send a letter to your congressperson.
I guess the internet is weird, people canāt differentiate fun mockery from actual anger. I was mocking how incredibly ignorant you were showing yourself off to be, by either stating complete unsourced nonsense, or asking for sources for things that are literally in the links you provided, or even failing to understand how military alliances work. Obviously since I have no hope for you I wonāt actually put the effort to explain why those are problems, I guess youād just deflect to something else as always.
Yep. I stand by that.
Thatās cool, at least something good came out of this whole interaction. I also enjoyed how you came back after the obvious bait of ācare to elaborate.ā Seems like you really like me. But I donāt like you, go find somebody who reciprocates.
Now, if you reply (and youāre obviously gonna reply, you just canāt leave me be), before your own comment list in your own words every single demand from Russia wrt the war, and whether theyāve been conceded on or ignored. I wonder if youāll find something, but please donāt come back without making it clear you understand those demands clearly.
Jesusā¦ And you tell me how I misrepresent sources. But unlike you I actually take effort to explain why youāre wrong. EF EPI evaluates the English proficiency based on who took the test. It is not even an estimation of how big part of the population actually speaks english (on any level). It just states that from the russian people who chose to take test they proficiency is at B2 level. Also, you still didnāt even bother to link a source.
I also didnāt add any sources because most of should be an easy find, funny how you give me shit about it but then turn around and do the exact same thing. Also what the fuck? I never claimed ālots donāt speak Englishā. Youāre literally making shit up about what I supposedly said.
Anyway since you now indirectly asked for it, and it seems itās not that easy of a search for you, I give you the source that Russians in general donāt really speak English. I hope your Russian is good. Actually that wasnāt a quick search, a quick search wouldāve found you an English site that actually gave a far more generous estimation (about 10%), but Iām guessing you wouldāve taken an issue with a random English side stating the obvious so I dug a bit deeper to find a more official source, specifically to prove how fucking wrong you are.
Maybe you should considering itās becoming more and more apparent how little you actually know about the shit youāre talking about. You might actually learn something from me.
I wasnāt going to specifically address one part of your ramblings, nothing there deserved to be addressed because it was all bullshit. So donāt throw out some easy gotchas like YOU getting the name wrong.
Iāve been trying to tell you for a while now, the demand of those guarantees is baseless. What is the justification for those demands? Should the rest of the world just roll over for Russia because they have concerns? Please, enlighten me how are they justified?
You say that, but then you also claim you wonāt even give me the time of day. Another empty statement by you.
Well if being deliberately wrong is fun mockery then by all means, be a joke.
I do actually like you. Youāre part of my daily entertainment.
Iām just going to stick my hand in your playbook and say every single demand is easy to google so you should know that I know what they are. I donāt need to give sources to things that are easy to google. Did I get it right?
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like patienceā¦ lots and lots of patienceā¦
Whatās the ācorrectā name again, big guy? Say it in ALL CAPS like you like to do, like weāre in the 90s internet still.
Just two that are obvious, tolerating of Nazi symbology and members in Azov (your initial source on this did not go into detail on how exactly Azov doesnāt allow Nazis in it anymore after being explicitly created by them 10 years ago), and de-escalating the war on Luhansk and Donnetsk and recognising their desire to be independent. Iām not sure how somebody could be against those things, let alone deny that theyāve been happening for 10 years now. The rest are more complicated, find a friend to talk to about those. But please, donāt address the important bit and go talk about random unrelated things like language levels, which is a tangent on top of a tangent on top of a tangent.
About as much as Mexico. Not a bad number at all, and nowadays we have cool tools like google translate or yandex. I canāt actually read Cyrillic script but using those tools you can see that they name something like āschool languagesā in which 20-30% of people study a foreign language at school but donāt use it day-to-day. Thatās a very big number if you compare it to other non-EU developed countries. Hopefully you yourself know Russian and can help correct if I mistranslated it. Thatād be the first time your knowledge would contribute to the conversation.
erm, no? Arenāt we on an English site?
On the other hand your other source isnāt particularly āofficial,ā itās just a blog in Russian. You couldāve provided the English one instead, but I guess you preferred to obfuscate it all. The only source listed is the Russian census, which comes straight from the Russian government. Since you like those sources and clearly are fluent in Russian, you can help me translate the excel file hosted in the Russian Govt website here to check on those āstudy languages.ā Iām not the one who throws away sources because theyāre from āpropaganda outletsā here, you are. From the very beginning of the discussion.
lol
You do know that when a person uses āwhenā it means that they wonāt do it when the āwhenā clause isnāt true? You have not shown any new info, and also donāt seem willing to learn. But no, I wonāt give the time of day to randos on the internet just because they demand it, get some irl friends.
Please elaborate on why every thing there was wrong, since youāre so sure of it. Do a whole a paragraph per statement. Iāll be sure to pat you on the back. The mockery was pointing out how ridiculous your statements were, if you didnāt catch it.
Thatās sad.
But although I find you incredibly annoying as a person, your silliness is also entertaining. Like an overly-aggressive Chihuahua or something. Or a Mensa teenager.
No, you didnāt get it right. You got it wrong. Congrats. Here. I even hid it in the previous reply for ease of fetching later. I wonder if you can find where the easter egg was.
If you think youāre making me angry or something, and you take pleasure in that: no, you just bore me. Youāre boring, not nearly as witty as you think you are, and about as engaging as playing an idle game while on the bus or waiting for the food to boil. If youāre doing this out of some sadism, youāre probably going to be more efficient about it by frying ants. If you want to learn, go read a book or two, I recommend āBlackshirts and the Reds.ā And if you want to help Ukraine, go join the foreign legion. But youāre definitely not āschoolingā anybody here, specially since itās literally just you and me now, and the Jigglypuff lullaby sounds like the Yellow Parenti speech next to your writing.
Come on mate, surely you have somebody who cares more about what you have to say in your life.
You do understand what justified means? You just gave me examples of the demands, not how theyāre justified.
Iām sure you donāt. I can understand being critical of those things but that is not justification. If your neighbor beats up their wife/girlfriend do you think it would be justified to kick down their door, beat the man into submission , kill their children, thrash the entire apartment and call it a job well done? Would it be more justified if you before-hand told that you would do it?
You do realize youāre the one who brought up language levels?
Because in this case the English source looks better than reality?
I guess your Russian is not that good then. Itās a blog post that goes over the 2020 population consensus data. That numbers there are official numbers. More than 99% of Russians stated they know only Russian.
I honestly donāt have anything else to say about the rest of your comment. It goes too off the tangent to really focus on any individual part there. Youāre just going on and on about how you donāt care but you still keep coming back.