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Cake day: November 6th, 2023

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  • All you’re doing now is moving goalposts

    Moving the goalposts is saying the opposite of “the Democrats did” is “the Democrats would never” (when you first attempted this shift I pointed out that neither I nor the person you responded to made this claim, which is still true).

    Moving the goalposts is saying that a peaceful protest that took place in the capitol is somehow “storming” the capitol in the same sense as January 6th.

    Moving the goalposts is saying that a fringe group that never had the support of the Democratic party and was not made up of Democratic voters was the Democrats.

    Moving the goalposts is ignoring an extremely important aspect of January 6th; an attempt to seize control of the government, which to my knowledge has never happened at the behest of the Democratic party.

    You know what? Let’s move the conversation a little in the direction you’ve tried to take it, if you really want. I’ll affirm this:

    No member of the current Democratic party leadership would never encourage Democratic voters to behave violently, to illegally occupy the capitol building, or to seize control of the government via undemocratic means. And, if some democrats do any of these, they will condemn it; if they have the power, they will stop it. By current Democratic party leadership, I mean Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and other similar figures. Candidates who are popular but marginalized in party structure do not count. For instance, I don’t think Bernie Sanders would either (except maybe occupying the capitol building), but he’s not part of Democratic party leadership. This is assuming that their views do not change significantly from where they are at present via unforeseen events.

    And, I affirm this is plainly not true of Republican party leadership (Donald Trump, Kevin McCarthy/Mike Johnson, Mitch McConnell etc.), given the events leading up to, on, and after the January 6th insurrection. (And I will point out that since I made the strong claim of “no member would” above, proving this claim/disproving that claim means “any member did”)


  • So, to recap:

    Someone pointed out that Republicans did January 6th, a violent attempt to seize control of the government by overturning the results of the election. You then gave examples of Democrats supposedly doing the same thing. I pointed out that none of the examples you gave were anything like January 6th. You then gave reasons why January 6th wasn’t bad. I pointed out that none of those reasons changed the fact that it was a violent attempt by Republicans to seize control of the government by overturning the results of the election. You still have not provided an example of the Democrats doing the same thing.

    Now you say, well, people from both parties do violence sometimes, so let’s call it a draw. I appreciate the wisdom of making a strategic retreat, but no. You made bad arguments. Now you have to admit you are wrong one of two ways. You could just be explicit, come out and say it. More likely you’ll do it implicitly, by changing the subject or not responding at all.

    I’m not really keen to get into an argument about which party is responsible for more violence

    I get it. I don’t like getting into losing arguments either.


  • Yes, Trump and the GOP party leadership spent months plotting to overthrow a legitimate election, but when it came time to do so, one line in a speech sounded nice. Then the protest started getting violent and destructive. To be clear, they were doing this for him (in the sense that they wanted him to continue to be president). He could have shown up and told them to stop and they would have. But he didn’t. He made no meaningful attempt to stop it at all. He did, however, say something nice earlier in the day. That’s true.

    Yes, I said murdered when I should have said manslaughtered. Sorry. The protest was still violent. I’ve seen the footage; they managed to make me feel sorry for a cop.

    I did never make a claim as to the level of damage. I’ve never really thought about the dollar amount; it’s more about the fact that they broke in. If someone broke into my house, I wouldn’t be worried about the dollar amount of the damage. I’d be worried about what that means about their intent.

    You are being obtuse. None of the differences you’ve pointed out are salient. None of the similarities you have implied are. The post you replied to never said “Democrats would never…”, nor did I. And I disagree that Democrats actually did. The examples you gave are nothing like January 6th, except in facile similarities like the location of the events. I will say though, I agree that you aren’t enlightened or morally superior.


  • All of those things did happen, but they are worlds apart from Jan 6.

    Your first link is clearly a peaceful demonstration; they didn’t even damage any property as far as I can tell. The article calls it “civil disobedience,” and apparently the vast majority were arrested for “demonstrating in the Capitol”. I shouldn’t have to remind you that the Jan 6 insurrectionists destroyed property and murdered people with the express intent of taking over government.

    Your second link is again a peaceful demonstration. People were again arrested for “unlawfully demonstrating”. There is no mention of any destruction of property or injury. And again, they were not trying to seize the government.

    Your third link is closest. There was obviously destruction of property and while no one got hurt, someone absolutely might have[1]. But even then, this was not an insurrection by and for the Democrats; it was from a fringe left group. Democrats immediately and to this day condemn the attack. Jan 6 was orchestrated by the leadership of the Republican party, and still receives support from said leadership.

    Anyway, this is you:

    [1]: The bombers did make an effort to not hurt people: they gave 30 minutes notice, and the explosion happened in the early hours of the morning. But something could still have gone wrong.







  • Yeah, that should work. ldd "$(command -v "$cmd")" will list the dynamic dependencies for $cmd, so you can find those (probably) in /lib and /usr/lib; I’m not familiar enough with the dynamic library loading process to give you the specifics. I would put the binaries in /usr/local/bin and the libraries in /usr/local/lib; but you could also modify path variables to point to the usb drive. Ideally you could find statically linked versions somewhere, so you don’t have to mess with the libraries.

    Alternatively, most package managers have commands to download packages; then you can copy the package cache over to the new machine and install them that way. If the commands are common enough, you could download one of the bigger install media and add its package repo to your machine. These of course are distribution specific processes.

    Finally, you could get a cheap USB ethernet adapter and connect to the internet that way. On newegg most of these products will have at least one review saying whether they work on linux.