Big ol eye roll.
Not about wimpiness or grimacing at the picture. More about gradually recognizing that you’re just eating pieces of animal flesh. For me, that went hand in hand with studying biology & med textbooks, about a decade ago. Not irrational, I’m not going “it’s icky”, it’s me knowing what the chemical composition is, where it came from, what it is, and going, “yeah this is fucking nasty”.
Get enough of this type of content and it will turn you vegan.
Startling quote from the beginning of the documentary:
Aug 11, 1919 - Lord Balfour (author of the Balfour Declaration, the original British declaration of intent to create Israel) to his successor, George Curzon:
In Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country, though the American Commission has been going through the form of asking what they are […]
The Four Great Powers are committed to Zionism. And Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-long traditions, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land.
That’s a way taller order than you might think. Docker has loads of kernel level integration that FreeBSD isn’t interested in supporting, also there are separate techs for similar purposes, like jails.
Sorry for the brief comment before, was on my phone. Was talking about the users on lemmygrad.ml.
What I mean is, I mean, be careful about lumping people under stereotypes. It does seem like a tankie instance but some of their stances seem perfectly reasonable. The frustrating thing about Marxist theory in general is that it provides this general framework for describing systems of imperial and economic oppression, but does such a shitty job understanding the corollaries between that and the functioning of “communist” states. A lot of people get drawn in to that kind of thinking observing U.S. imperialism and such. I wouldn’t generalize too angrily about them, vast majority of people have some kind of half-baked ideology or another and it’s always just degrees of how many mistakes they’re making across a given group.
Every one of them exactly like that huh?
Then don’t attack people based on bullshit reasoning and then launch into these back and forths about how they’re wrong for defending themselves.
I am not “going out of my way to play the persecuted martyr”, I opened the Lemmy home page and “post trashing vegans” was post #3. I thought I left this shit behind when I left reddit, but now it’s here too.
Not using animal products is not exhausting. I’ve done it for a decade and it’s a remarkably easy change where 99% of the difficulty comes from the wider society being hostile to it.
It is an ethical position based on an actual reality of animal agriculture causing vast suffering that we have chosen to opt out of supporting. It is absolutely reasonable and selfless to advocate for the rights of others at a minor, negligible personal sacrifice. It is not a sign of a need to shame others, a need to be a martyr, or any other personality defect that you’re going to project on vegans based on a stereotype despite knowing NOTHING about any of us as individuals. Nobody is trying to make you “feel ashamed”, we are pointing out objective facts about how the animal ag industry causes harm to animals, and then people like you, like you’re doing in this comment, right here, launch into this whole frigging diatribe about how vegans are shaming you and judging you and have a god complex and should just shut up and go back into their corners, because god forbid anyone should ever suggest that anything you’re doing is less than perfectly ethical.
It’s bullshit. I don’t know what else to tell you. I’ve been living with this for years and it’s absolute bullshit. Your position is wrong, it’s not a statement about you as a person, it’s a statement you should change your behavior. We are NOT at fault for showing the truth of the matter, that’s just a reactionary and ignorant position that people use to try to rationalize what’s convenient for them.
In absolutely no way is that “preaching”.
Yeah, says the guy who posted the frigging thing to begin with.
You’re literally lumping people into the stereotype that they’re obnoxious and preachy based on them defending themselves against public accusations that they’re obnoxious and preachy. That’s an irrational, circular stance.
Yeah, I’ve eaten it, there’s an aspect to it you may not have dialed into yet. Hard to describe.