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    That doesn’t make landlords the origin of high rents.

    If people want less rent, it doesn’t help to oppose landlords. All it does is reducing the number of participants which worsens the situation.

    Renters can decide elections. Unionize and negotiate with the parties how many construction sites they will create. Then vote accordingly. Then rent will go down.

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      That doesn’t make landlords the origin of high rents.

      No, it has nothing to do with how landlords are parasites, it is just explaining that it isnt the voters fault that parasitism is allowed.

      If people want less rent, it doesn’t help to oppose landlords.

      It helps to oppose the landlord class and abolish the idea of rent.

      Renters can decide elections.

      The US is empirically not a democracy. Is this going in one ear and out the other?

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        Landlords are not parasites. If you have enough competition then profits will go down until it’s barely rewarding to manage property, which somebody has to do.

        Housing just costs so much becsuse of zoning laws and lack of public transport.

        Unless you pull of a revolution, competing landlords are key if you want rentable housing.

        But you want to abolish the idea of rent. What will happen? People have to own their housing units. This requires credit. People who don’t get credit now, where will they live?

        Of course you can establish Socialism. But you don’t believe that voters can change politics.

        What’s the most possible change?

        I think making the housing market competitive is possible. But it’s still difficult because there needs to be a decision about how to handle collapsing housing prices and the defaulting on most mortgages.

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          Landlords are not parasites.

          The father of classical economics and the father of Marxian economics are in agreement about landlords being parasites but you have been blessed with divine knowledge that says they aren’t. Please, impart your wisdom on the masses. /s

          Seriously, imagine the ego to think you know better than literally the people behind the two major competing economic analysis systems.

          But you want to abolish the idea of rent. What will happen?

          Literally look into how much nicer housing is in places that succeeded at communist land reform. Talk to Vietnamese and Cuban people about how housing is handled. Plenty of them speak English if you’re monolingual. (Not vietnamese american or cuban American, people who actually live in the current systems)

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            You are appealing to authority. They are right in the sense that the owning class will try to maintain their position. Now, what do you want to do? Stage a revolution without weapons from the means of production?

            Hegel for sure is proud to know that those two reached the end of philosophy.

            I don’t question that communism and Socialism can create better housing. My point is that as long as you are in capitalism, you have to play by capitalist rules. This means you should increase competition. It’s not the fault of landlords that there is not enough opportunity to build affordable housing.

            Blaming landlords is counter-productive because renters don’t feel the need to build the power to influence the next election.

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              You are appealing to authority.

              Yes, and it is an appropriate appeal. It is the equivalent of pointing at physicists while arguing with a flat earthen.

              I don’t question that communism and Socialism can create better housing. My point is that as long as you are in capitalism, you have to play by capitalist rules.

              Okay, so stop doing capitalism. You just said that socialism produces better outcomes.

              Blaming landlords is counter-productive because renters don’t feel the need to build the power to influence the next election.

              That won’t do anything. Build tenants unions and then find where your landlord lives and have a pleasant conversation with them about collective bargaining and what collective bargaining is the historical alternative to, at the minimum.

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                I leave the possibility of revolution to the other thread.

                You cannot force cheaper rent. The landlords don’t have 500% profit margins. All you do is fix the housing situation with nobody left to organize renovations or new constructions because landlords will seek other opportunities.

                The resources for housing are too expensive. You have to change that.

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        It is the voters fault.

        Voters are responsible for politics.

        Even if they are manipulated, it’s still their fault. Like drunk driving.

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          You are empirically incorrect, studies show the US is an oligarchy. Bribery is literally legal in the US as long as the right procedures are followed.

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            Yes. As long as you don’t believe in Santa Claus, who is there to make a change?

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              I would maybe research historical examples where land reform has worked instead of continuing to pester me.

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                Give me a hint. Are there reforms without staging a revolution? How can you dream of revolutions without believing in voters?

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                  How can you dream of revolutions without believing in voters?

                  You’re the one who doesn’t believe in the masses.

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                    I don’t believe in revolutions, that’s a difference.

                    Let me ask again:

                    How can you dream of revolutions without believing in voters?